Oh, my ever loving goodness! Catholic college students everywhere should be embarrassed! For those of you who don’t know, Fordham is a “Catholic” university. (Quote marks totally appropriate!) That said, all is right with the world, because, unlike Duquene, this is a Jesuit university, so this makes total sense given the lack of Catholic logic in Jesuit schools.
Student Groups Shut Down Chick-Fil-A Proposal
Apr 21, 2017
(Katarina Marschhausen/The Observer).
By STEPHAN KOZUB
For now, members of the Fordham community will not “Eat Mor Chikin.” Following push back from clubs and independent students over LGBTQ issues and menu offerings, the university has opted to decline an Aramark proposal to install a Chick-Fil-A in the Ram Cafe.
The proposal, initially discussed in early March, included renovating the grill area, or Urban Kitchen, to house a Chick-Fil-A. The hot entree station, or Cloverleaf, would have remained in place.
The student groups that were consulted in responding to the proposal were the United Student Government (USG), the Commuter Students Association (CSA), the Residence Hall Association (RHA) and the Rainbow Alliance.
I reiterate again: Fordham is supposedly a Catholic school! Why is a Catholic school consulting with the “Rainbow Alliance?” Give me a stinking break! Here’s a novel idea. Why don’t you consult with the Catechism? Never mind, I’m sure you lost (or burned) the one copy that might be somewhere on the campus.
The Rainbow Alliance was consulted in the decision-making process because of a controversy regarding Chick-Fil-A’s stance on LGBTQ issues that has been stirred up to varying degrees since 2012. That year, the family that owns the fast food chain made public statements against marriage equality, a stance backed up by several million dollars in donations they have made over the years to organizations working actively against same-sex marriage. When the chain opened their first location in New York in 2015, they faced protests on the issue.
Hmmm…the city of New York. What happened to that Chick-fil-a in NYC? Oh yeah, it’s thriving and more have opened. Uh, Fordham, that might give you a clue as to your stupidity. They are chicken sandwiches. Chicken sandwiches can’t change your “sexual identity.” If they could, I would totally invest with your best interest in mind. Sadly, all Chick-fil-a does, dear “Rainbow Alliance,” is feed college kids on a budget.
Representatives from Chik-Fil-A offered to collaboratively run unspecified programming with the Rainbow Alliance in conjunction with the rollout of a venue on campus. Due to continued concerns regarding this issue, however, the Rainbow Alliance unanimously voted against the proposal. Several students independently reached out to USG to voice their concerns, according to then-USG president Leighton Magoon, Fordham College at Lincoln Center (FCLC) ’17.
“If they want to bring in Chick-Fil-A, they can bring in Chick-Fil-A,” Renata Francesco, FCLC ’19 and Rainbow Alliance Co-President, said. “But we’re not going to partner with an institution, a corporation that has so strongly supported other institutions that work to destabilize and demolish movements for queer equity.”
I think they’re just liberal wannabees instead of Catholics. Hey, Fordham – I live in just about the most liberal state of the union, and guess what? Many of our state schools (not even Catholic schools) have Chick-fil-a’s on campus, and quite frankly, they’re laughing at you.
And, guess what? I’m sure most of you don’t know the history of Chick-fil-a, but I looked it up for you. In 1998, Chick-fil-a had 134 stores and 114 of them were on college campuses. http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/1998/11/16/story2.html Did somebody at Fordham suddenly notice that these campuses all become conservative bastions and/or places where homosexuals have been persecuted for years? Please. Get just a little grip on reality. When did serving chicken sandwiches become a form of persecution?
When resistance to the proposal started to gain steam, the USG executive board began to reconsider if USG was okay with having a Chick-Fil-A on campus, said Magoon. Over spring break, they were informed that the university had declined the proposal and that Aramark would no longer pursue the installation of a Chick-Fil-A.
Define “gaining steam?” Apparently the university missed an op-ed by one of its own: https://fordhamram.com/2017/02/15/chick-fil-a-is-here-to-stay/ I’d bet money that for every one liberal whiner, there are ten hungry students who want their chicken.
Francesco said that she was surprised about this decision, because of “Fordham’s recent handling of major queer issues on campus, most notably the hesitation and denial to create trans-inclusive spaces.” The Observer reported on issues facing trans students on campus in a recent issue.
“Part of me is hopeful that they’ll start taking this attitude of listening to queer students and queer voices, because there are so many on this campus and just in life,” she said. “I really do hope this is a step, as opposed to just a final ‘Oh we’ll do this, we’ll give them that,’ as a way to placate us. But we were very happy with the decision.”
Really?!?! Surprised about the decision? http://www.campusreform.org/%5C?ID=6659 It’s Jesuit. It’s Fordham. I’d expect no less, even though it’s ridiculous. I’ve learned to expect this from the likes of them. Traditional marriage? Not really in their wheelhouse.
Students also had concerns with Chick-Fil-A’s menu options, according to Dining Services Contract Liaison Deming Yaun.
“Certainly, there were some menu concerns as it related to special diets that Chick-Fil-A did not have a lot to offer for,” Yaun said. “They didn’t have a lot to address special diets.”
Additionally, the proposal process revealed that any instillation of a national chain in the Ram Cafe would also necessitate a total revamp of the hot entree Cloverleaf station.
“What came out was that Cloverleaf cannot stand on it own against a national brand really of any kind,” Yaun said. “So we were off replacing one format, but it’s really got to be a comprehensive change involving the whole line.”
Regarding the concerns that students had, Yaun stated that “if we were to try again, we would make sure that everyone that was in the decision process heard the presentations” that the representatives from Chick-Fil-A gave during the proposal process. As of now, there are no alternative plans being discussed to install a national chain in the Ram Cafe in light of the decision on the proposal.
Lamest. Argument. Ever. Again, hundreds of college campuses house a Chick-fil-a, but it couldn’t possibly work here because it doesn’t address special diets.
While the leaders of the Rainbow Alliance see the rejection of Chick-Fil-A as a step in the right direction, they say that it is only a “tiny step.”
“This is something that I don’t want to congratulate Fordham for, like ‘Oh my god, I’m so glad that you can see this. You’re such a good person,’” said Rainbow Alliance co-president Roberta Munoz. “I don’t want to pat them on the back. You can’t say ‘Oh you’re such a great ally’ when there’s still so many issues with our queer students. Like great, love it, but keep going.”
You didn’t get a segregated space (one of those things that used to be frowned upon when people were sane), and there are “so many issues”? Yeah, I’m pretty sure you won’t be happy until you’ve erased all traces of Catholicism if they’re not gone already.
8 thoughts on “Fordham Cries Fowl!”
Vince Lombardi is having a fit at the moment. He may come out of his grave and scare everyone in the admin into submission or else.
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They are going to find the real world tough. By and large, there are no “safe spaces” or “trigger warnings” when you grow up.
To make Fordham even more “Catholic,” according to their website, “The Office of Multicultural Affairs coordinates, co-sponsors, and supports a number of LGBT and Ally Network of Support focused events and programs on campus that educates the campus community and raises awareness about the experiences of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Questioning, and Ally members of the Fordham community.”
It may not be as “Catholic” as the University of San Diego, which hosts an annual drag show. (Sigh.)
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Only Twenty of two hundred sixty nine or so Alleged Catholic colleges and univ. Can be accredited by Cardinal Newman society as authentic Catholic colleges. Fordham has fallen far from Any aspect of the Jesuits in Particular or Rc faith and morals Sexual and otherwise to be sure…… Shame on them and the cowardly Jesuits at Fordham for caving in repeatedly to the Homosexual agenda there . If you had a ab like late O Conner of NYC. ,Fordham like Mahtn. Marymount or Marist would be reprimanded was under O conner… . Not likely with Spineless Dolan and Mastruccio be covering up for infamous Miquehli Homosexual embellezment scandal. Or their promotion of Homosexual parishes like Francis Xavier or Assi there and promoted homosexual on parade at NYC St Patrick’s parade.
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The response from the groups just floors me. The administration is a puppy that these groups have been kicking around, yet they still come back to lick the hand that abuses them. Sick all the way around.
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My sister graduated from Fordham and I believe it was there that she lost her faith. I wouldn’t send my dog to Fordham.
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@Christine, maybe she learned how narrow minded people of the Catholic faith can be and decided it wasn’t for her. Doesn’t mean she isn’t living by the golden rule.
I don’t know TT, calling people “narrow minded” doesn’t exactly sound tolerant to their beliefs. LOL!
Oh TT, it is not our minds that are narrow. It is the gate and we believe it when Christ said:
“13 Make your way in by the narrow gate. It is a broad gate and a wide road that leads on to perdition, and those who go in that way are many indeed; 14 but how small is the gate, how narrow the road that leads on to life, and how few there are that find it!” Matt 7:13
BTW, that come directly after the “golden rule”:
“12 Do to other men all that you would have them do to you; that is the law and the prophets.”
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