Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary…
Sorry. Couldn’t help it. Edgar Allan Poe has been running through my head. The talk of limiting people is just kind of morose and throw in the name and there you have it. It will all fall into place as you read on.
Lifesite has now posted an update to THE story last week and have clarified they got the original quote, which had sent Catholic new media outlets spinning, wrong: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/correction-vatican-academy-member-misquoted-in-story-on-pope-francis Here’s the original Peter Raven quote they gave:
Pope Francis has urged us to have fewer children to make the world more sustainable.
And the revised quote:
We need at some point to have a limited number of people which is why Pope Francis and his three most recent predecessors have always argued that you should not have more children than you can bring up properly,
First, Catholic news media…I realize that you’re all in a big hurry to out-scoop everyone else. I get it. It’s kind of your job. That said, can we please stop attributing ideas to the pope when they come from some knucklehead who clearly doesn’t quite understand what the last three popes have actually said?! I’m still seeing “Vatican” at odds with Catholic teaching. One guy on an academy at the Vatican does not the Vatican make. Peter Raven made the comment and I don’t believe it’s ever even been put into writing nor put forth as an official teaching. One idiot, one idiotic statement. It’s important to note that he attributes this to the last three popes and not just Francis. Anyways, that’s the view from over here. It’s not just one outlet. It’s multiple outlets.
Next, even with the clarification, it was a stupid statement. People are acting as if the actual quote erased the stupidity found in the erroneous quote. Bad on Lifesite for getting it wrong and kudos for correcting it but the Catholic Church has never said that we at some point have to have a limited number of people and the latter part of Peter Raven’s quote is not nor ever has been the reasoning for PETER RAVEN’S emboldened and underlined pro-population control premise.
Frankly, the real scandal and news story is that this guy is in the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in the first place. Steven Mosher at the Population Research Institute has done a nice job showing the disaster in the current academy. https://www.pop.org/content/earth-not-%E2%80%9Csick%E2%80%9D-and-mankind-thriving-never Maybe somebody can answer this question for me. Is Peter Raven even Catholic? I seriously can’t find that link anywhere and I consider myself pretty good at Googling. I mean, aren’t there any Catholic scientists out there that might, perhaps, make a better authority on Catholicism AND scientific fact than Raven that might get the last three popes right? Yes, yes. I realize that you don’t have to be a Catholic to be in this academy. The point is to examine all sorts of scientific information free from the influence of race, creed or religion (you can tell the academy was started when science was still based on facts) but if he’s going make a statement on Catholic teaching, might it be helpful if he was one?! Or one who might know the Church’s teaching even if he doesn’t buy it?? Shouldn’t the non-Catholic guy stick to the science thing and stop trying to tell us what the Catholic teachings are? There’s some idea for you.
Peter Raven has an agenda and is twisting the Pope’s (actually the last 3 pope’s) words to fit that agenda. That’s kind of a no-no for the reason behind this academy. It’s supposed to be agenda free. He should be promptly fired, dismissed or however it is that you are told to get lost from an “academy.” Again, it is not a teaching of the holy fathers that we need to limit the number of people. It is their teaching that if you cannot properly feed, care for, etc. your children, you may resort to natural family planning. Does this mean that if you can’t go on a trip you should use NFP? NO! Does this mean if you think there are too many people in the world and Mother Earth is rebelling against us because of that you should use NFP? NO! Does it mean if your children can’t have the latest xbox you should use NFP so that the rest of your children will not be deprived? NO! Should you prayerfully and in consultation with a spiritual director consider using NFP if you are struggling to feed, clothe, and shelter your children? YES! You may still come to the conclusion after prayer and consultation that God is calling you to have more children at the present time and work through the struggle or you may decide to exercise some self-control until such time you can responsibly feed, clothe, and shelter your kids. That’s between YOU and God. I’m pretty sure most of you know this but there’s always the liberal lurkers who are going to try to run with this. Peter Raven is a goof who can’t get past his own bad science and theology.
Before I could get this done, I noticed that Deal Hudson made some of the same points here: http://www.newsmax.com/DealHudson/vatican-peter-raven-pope-francis/2017/03/07/id/777396/ I disagree with Paul Raven = Vatican or Paul Raven = Pope, but it still had some great points. I definitely agree the appointments made to some of the academies are tragic and nightmarish. I hope they will receive an all new makeover with factually correct theological people and, where applicable, factually based scientific people instead if these “scientists” who wouldn’t know the scientific method if it bit them in the behind. You know, the ones who are constantly trying to bend the facts around their hypothesis instead bending their hypothesis around the facts.