This ought to be fun! Just can’t wait to see what the Soros lackey is going to tell us about the youth of today and same-sex attraction. Anyone know if he actually knows any youth? Just curious. BTW, he’s been a bit of a player for quite a while now. Here’s a little background.
A Failure to Communicate
The Synod’s Mistake on LGBT Catholics
By John Gehring
November 2, 2018
And this title might be the only place where any agreement between me and John Gehring might lie. Of course, his definition of “mistake” and mine would differ greatly.
The recently concluded Synod on Young People reflected Pope Francis’s call for a listening church that accompanies people and discerns together. Unlike synods in previous papacies, where a final script was essentially drafted in advance and most bishops dutifully signed off, a more authentic process unfolded during the month-long gathering that ended last Sunday.
Wait! What? Seems like that’s more or less exactly what happened, albeit minus the “LGBT” acronym, because they knew there was no way in hell they were going to get that in.
A mode of engagement that prioritizes a humble posture of encounter is essential if the Catholic Church hopes to stem the tide of young people leaving an institution they often view as irrelevant, hypocritical, and aloof. In fact, those who are raised Catholic are more likely than those raised in any other religion to cite negative religious treatment of gay and lesbian people as the primary reason they leave, according to the Public Religion Research Institute.”
Huh??? The Public Religion Research Institute? Oh my. Hysterical. I mean, John, why didn’t you just put out your own poll asking people who agree with you what they think? People, do the research. https://catholicvote.org/public-religion-research-institute-misleads-on-catholic-attitudes/
Can I tell you why people leave the Church? It’s simple: It’s HARD to be Catholic!!! It’s hard to pick up a cross. Our catechesis has been largely abysmal for many years now, and we’re not getting the message across in most of our churches of the benefits of carrying that cross. Duh! Everlasting life, and the spiritual world in general, have been reduced to a fable. It’s no wonder people are being sucked into the secular world. They’re offering more. We’re just given homilies on how to be nice. Well, not at my parish, but that’s why I go there. They’re actually offering me something I need and want. Oh, and we do pretty well.
“We’ve gone from talking about young people and from talking to young people to talking with them,” said Cardinal Vincent Nichols of Westminster, president of the Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales.
I am absolutely not against talking with young people. I do it as often as I possibly can. Whether or not they agree with me, they know that I have their best interest in mind AND I will tell them as much of the truth as I can.
A hopeful church that listens from below and engages in dialogue is better positioned than a fearful, fortress church to fulfill the Second Vatican Council’s proclamation to read the “signs of the times.” For young gay Catholics and their allies, the synod offered a space where bishops could learn from the joys and hopes, the griefs and anxieties, of the LGBT faithful. Signs pointed to a potentially important step forward. In a document prepared before the synod, the Vatican used the term “LGBT” for the first time. “Some LGBT youth,” it read, want to “benefit from greater closeness and experience greater care from the church.” Not exactly a revolutionary statement, and rather painfully obvious. But the use of “LGBT” was striking and significant. The church has a major language problem when it comes to respecting the dignity of gay, lesbian, and transgender people. Catholic teaching documents typically use “homosexual” or refer to “homosexual tendencies.” Using the LGBT descriptor—often preferred by many gay, lesbian, and transgender people—is a sign of respect.
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa, son! Heck of a parsing of Gaudium et Spes. Nice try, though.
4. To carry out such a task, the Church has always had the duty of scrutinizing the signs of the times and of interpreting them in the light of the Gospel. Thus, in language intelligible to each generation, she can respond to the perennial questions which men ask about this present life and the life to come, and about the relationship of the one to the other. We must therefore recognize and understand the world in which we live, its explanations, its longings, and its often dramatic characteristics. Some of the main features of the modern world can be sketched as follows.
Thanks for channeling Fr. Martin, but no thanks. We need to scrutinize the signs of the times, not just roll over for them. Gaudium et Spes shows us that these are all perennial questions. This isn’t some knew ideology. In fact, it’s all been repeated time and again, and as usual, Truth and her answers do not change.
What the Church “holds to be true about human sexuality is not a stumbling block.”
“It is the only real path to joy and wholeness,” he continued. “There is no such thing as an ‘LGBTQ Catholic’ or a ‘transgender Catholic’ or a ‘heterosexual Catholic,’ as if our sexual appetites defined who we are; as if these designations described discrete communities of differing but equal integrity within the real ecclesial community, the body of Jesus Christ.”
This is Truth. This is dignity. This is respect. Describing people by their sexual appetite is lowering them to a creature who’s being is controlled by a sexual appetite. We are not. We have free will.
But the final report from the synod did not use the term “LGBT.” Several bishops, including Philadelphia Archbishop Charles Chaput, criticized its potential appearance. For the church, he said, “there is no such thing as an ‘LGBTQ Catholic’ or a ‘transgender Catholic’ or a ‘heterosexual Catholic,’ as if our sexual appetites defined who we are.”
Can I get an AMEN? Seriously. If our sexual appetites define us, we are in big trouble. In fact, this is kind of what’s been happening with this abuse scandal. People give in to the notion that that’s how they are made and there’s nothing we can do about it, so we should be free to act on it. It seems to be just peachy for those who want to act on their homosexual appetite, but should it be with children or someone who doesn’t desire it, it’s evil. Nope. Both evil.
Some bishops and other church leaders foster a toxic culture that scapegoats and demonizes LGBT laity and clergy
Head in the sand time again. How about we state this little fact: 80% of these abuse cases (and with the latest round, probably more) have been perpetrated by homosexual priests. So, I think it’s safe to say that they seem to be the ones who readily give into their weaknesses. Can we at least agree on that?
This observation reflects, perhaps unwittingly, a certain theological arrogance.
Or maybe your lack of acceptance of the facts reflects a bit of narcissism instead?
Saying there are “no LGBT Catholics,” when many Catholics who love and contribute to the church embrace that description, is disrespectful at best, and at worst denies a person dignity. Chaput warns of “sexual appetites” defining who we are—a reasonable caution—but it seems that the archbishop is the one who is reducing being gay, lesbian, or transgender to sexual mechanics, as if our friends, neighbors, and family members are little more than a bundle of physical urges rather than complex and multidimensional human beings. I understand the instinct not to balkanize the church into islands of identity. We are “one, holy, catholic and apostolic church,” in the words of the Nicene Creed. Our shared faith unifies.
Hey, man, the Church is made of sinners, but dignity isn’t brought about by what we want to be called. Dignity is given to us by God in our creation. Are you saying someone who proudly states “I am a porn star” is somehow brought dignity by that label? How about those who want to be labeled a satanic high priest? I mean, you can’t deny that there are plenty of people like that, yet somehow we’re just supposed to say, “Oh, that’s what you want to be classified as? Awesome!” Please. This is just your pet proclivity, so you are going to demand we all say, “Oh, OK, whatever you want,” as if that somehow imparts dignity to a person.
But the church does recognize and often names those who reflect our diversity. Some dioceses have offices, retreats, or specific events for Latino Catholics, African-American Catholics, young-adult Catholics, and senior Catholics. None of this is reductionist. There is a proud tradition of celebrating Irish-American and Italian-American Catholics’ contributions to the church, distinct cultures that are nonetheless part of the beautiful mosaic of Catholicism. In the same way a Latina Catholic doesn’t exclusively define herself by being a Latina, identifying as an LGBT Catholic doesn’t circumscribe one’s identity, but acknowledges its significance as part of the whole.
And as Archbishop Chaput points out, we’re don’t call ourselves heterosexual Catholics. For goodness sake. Get a wee bit of grasp on reality and stop comparing apples to Toyotas. This is a ridiculous comparison. If someone wants to say they are a cat, are you just fine with that? I mean, I’m sure they feel that this is their special diversity. You can’t have it both ways, John.
For Archbishop Chaput, the church should not use LGBT because it is wrong to, in his words, “categorize people.” This is a laudatory concept, until you reflect on the irony of that statement coming from a leader in a church that uses language often viewed as clinical and demeaning by the very people it seeks to describe. Homosexual “inclinations” and “intrinsically disordered,” words used in official church teaching, also categorize people, and in ways that exclude and wound.
Nice try again. He actually said:
“It follows that ‘LGBTQ’ and similar language should not be used in Church documents, because using it suggests that these are real, autonomous groups, and the Church simply doesn’t categorize people that way.”
Your beef seems to be with Archbishop Chaput, but he’s showing YOU what the Church has never done. Heaven forbid a member of the Church would reflect what the Church actually does and does not say. I mean, hello, “inclinations” and “intrinsically disordered” is found in Church teaching, so you getting mad at Archbishop Chaput is just targeting those who hold to those teachings, including many people suffering from same-sex attraction. Seriously, you act as if everyone with same-sex attraction has hurt feelings about this. Sorry. It ain’t so.
San Diego Bishop Robert McElroy has suggested the church needs to rethink such language. In an interview with America magazine, he said the description “intrinsically disordered” is “very destructive language that I think we should not use pastorally.” He added that “in Catholic moral theology, it is a philosophical term that is automatically misunderstood in our society as a psychological judgment.” The church can’t be a “field hospital” for the wounded, to use a central metaphor from Pope Francis, if its own language wounds.
And yet, many people suffering with same-sex attraction don’t feel the martyrdom you are trying to imply on their behalf. What about them? Oh, a wee bit of an inconvenient truth that more and more people who consider themselves same-sex attracted aren’t going to be riding in your parade? They, like the saints, embrace Church teaching and are willing to take up their crosses. And you know what? We’re going to be right there with them struggling with our own crosses.
The synod’s final report included some positive things: reiterating the church’s condemnation of any violence directed at sexual minorities; acknowledging that ministry to gay and lesbian people is already being done in the church; and emphasizing accompaniment. Perhaps presaging a future and much-needed discussion on the broader dimensions of how the church addresses human sexuality, the report noted that “there are questions related to the body, to affectivity and to sexuality that require a deeper anthropological, theological, and pastoral exploration.” This is significant, and it rattles conservative bishops. “The Catholic hierarchy is acknowledging that the church needs to update its understanding of the science of sex and gender, and that also means updating the church’s theology on sexuality and its ministry to gay people,” David Gibson wrote in an analysis for Religion News Service.
The fact that you think that the Church’s teaching on sexuality needs to be updated and is somehow outdated is rattling to any faithful Catholic. There’s so much beauty and richness that you cannot seem to grasp. Can you say “Theology of the Body?” I know it can’t be grasped in a day but give it just a little read before you bother to comment.
Archbishop Chaput characterized that line in the final report as “subtle and concerning.” The church “already has a clear, rich, and articulate Christian anthropology,” he told the National Catholic Register. “It’s unhelpful to create doubt or ambiguity around issues of human identity, purpose, and sexuality, unless one is setting the stage to change what the church believes and teaches about all three, starting with sexuality.”
BOOM! Just because John Gehring and buddies missed it doesn’t mean that it is there.
Whatever discussions may yet take place in the church, an editorial in The Tablet underscored a painful truth. “Few progressive Catholics would have dared to dream that Synod might open a conversation about ‘intrinsic disorder,’ or that it might acknowledge that even the acronym LGBT excludes queer, intersex, and asexual Catholics,” the editors wrote. “What is, perhaps, most heartbreaking is that LGBT Catholics pinned their hopes on so little: being discussed in a language that wasn’t overtly offensive, with words that will—for many gay people—trigger memories of bullying and harassment.”
Dear progressive Catholics, you want to have a conversation about “intrinsic disorder” or anything else, I’d be happy. Just drop me a line. I’m not being sarcastic here. For some reason John Gehring thinks we are unwilling to talk to you, or at least that’s what he’d like you to believe. I am totally willing to talk and to struggle with you as you carry your cross, and I hope you help me to carry mine. Our struggles are all different, but we all need the Body of Christ to make it through this life and gain everlasting life.
Several U.S. bishops, including Chicago Cardinal Blase Cupich, have articulated a strong message of solidarity with LGBT Catholics. Putting this accompaniment into practice will require calling out organizations such as Church Militant, a group that bullies, threatens, and demeans LGBT Catholics and their allies. A few weeks ago a pastoral associate at a San Diego parish submitted his resignation after he “endured physical and emotional violence from groups like Church Militant and LifeSiteNews for the past year and a half,” according to an email he sent to friends and associates obtained by the National Catholic Reporter. The harassment included slashed tires, death threats, attacks outside Mass, and “hundreds of letters, phone calls, and emails.”
I’ve already addressed Aaron Bianco here, so I’m not going to go there again, but if you missed it, here’s my response to this flap:
Of course the Catholic Church doesn’t condone this abuse; in fact, the Catechism explicitly denounces it. Nevertheless, some bishops and other church leaders foster a toxic culture that scapegoats and demonizes LGBT laity and clergy. Former Vatican ambassador Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, who has called for Pope Francis’s resignation, warns of “homosexual networks” with the “power of octopus tentacles” that are “strangling” the church. “It is time to admit that there is a homosexual subculture within the hierarchy of the Catholic Church that is wreaking great devastation in the vineyard of the Lord,” Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison, Wisconsin, wrote in a letter to Catholics in his diocese. Such language only tills the soil for potentially violent acts.
Seriously, can’t we talk about sin without having it be a threat somehow? Sorry, again, my kids have to live in this world, John. You don’t get to play the martyr card.
As James Baldwin wrote: “It is a terrible, an inexorable law that one cannot deny the humanity of another without diminishing one’s own.” When the church continues to deny LGBT people their full humanity, isn’t that the risk it takes?”
Oh, yes. James Baldwin who knows all the beauty and intricacies of the Catholic Church. Geez. You had the chance somewhere to quote St. John Paul II, but you went with James Baldwin as your “saint” of choice?!?
And, just for the record, the Church wants nothing less than dignity and salvation for all Her children. The Church NEVER discriminates amongst God’s children. The same rules apply to all of us. It ain’t easy. There’s a lot about the narrow gate but the Body of Christ is meant to struggle together.