There Was a Church Who Had a Priest and Ego Was His Name-o…

Keep a bag handy, because this one is going to make you just a little nauseated. The priest coming out as gay, you ask? Nope, it’s his staggering narcissism. His ego is really quite ginormous!

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Vatican Theologian Confesses: “I’m Happy to Be Gay and I Have a Partner”

“I know I will pay the consequences, but it’s time the Church opened its eyes”

Really, Monsignor? You coming out as “gay” is somehow going to open the eyes of the Church? Can you say “ego”? This might be the reason humility and obedience has escaped you.

“I want the Church and my community to know who I am: a gay priest who is happy, and proud of his identity. I’m prepared to pay the consequences, but it’s time the Church opened its eyes, and realised that offering gay believers total abstinence from a life of love is inhuman”. Monsignor Krzysztof Charamsa, 43 and Polish, who has been living in Rome for 17 years, speaks with a calm smile on his face.

Smile? I’m picturing more of a smirk. Anyone else? “…total abstinence from a life of love is inhuman?” Wow, Monsignor “Charisma”! Maybe you should try telling that to the thousands of saints who have gone before you. How can you possibly be so shortsighted? How have you failed to see the trade-off of a short time (our earthly lives) of abstinence for eternal life with Our Savior? Do you not believe in having a cross to bear? Is that beneath you or something? Do you think you could possibly be confusing sex with love? I’m kind of done with this attitude. Of course, you know the answer to all of these questions, but you want what you want, so we all must dance circles around you.

He is not just any priest, but has been a member of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith since 2003, is assistant secretary of the International Theological Commission of the Vatican, and teaches theology at the Pontifical Gregorian University and the Pontifical Athenaeum Regina Apostolorum in Rome. Never before has a priest with such a high-profile role in the Vatican made a similar statement. Today, on the eve of the Synod on the family, Monsignor Charamsa will be in Rome at the LGBT Catholic International Meeting organized by the Global Network of Rainbow Catholics, to support the discussion on gay Catholics.

Actually, he IS just any priest. I have to say that I’m kind of rather glad he “came out” with all of this, although my guess is a lot of people already knew it. It might be a huge red flag for the Holy Father, though. This is what we deal with, day in and day out, in our little world. The bishops around the United States (and many other places) are dealing with priests like this on a daily basis, priests who are constantly trying to box them into corners. This happens all the time in the San Francisco Bay Area. Archbishop Cordileone, for one, has dealt with the same types of maneuvering from ego-driven, narcissistic priests.  “I’m not doing this for me. I have to follow my conscience or what kind of Catholic would I be? Honesty, blah, blah, blah!” Any dissenting subject goes, and the opposition always seem to be able to find someone who wants to play the martyr card.

Why did you decide to come out?

“There comes a day when something inside you snaps, and you can’t go on. If I had been alone I would have lived the nightmare of a denied homosexuality, but God never leaves us alone. And I think He has helped me take this important existential step. It’s important because of its consequences, but it’s also the premise for living honestly, which should be natural for every homosexual. The Church is already behind in tackling the issue, and we can’t wait another 50 years, which is why I’ve decided to tell the Church who I am. I’m doing it for myself, for my community, and for the Church. It is also my duty towards the community of sexual minorities”.

Oh, you’ve snapped, alright. Remember the time when priests wanted to be known as Catholic? Now they want to be known as a “homosexual priest”, and “priest” is almost an afterthought. Sigh! The “living honestly” quote here is rather telling, though. What were you doing before, Monsignor? Yep, I actually agree with you. That said, honesty doesn’t always equal right. I mean, there have been many “honest” people who have been immoral, right?

What do you think you will achieve?

“It seems to me that in the Church we are ignorant about homosexuality because we don’t really know any homosexuals. We have them all around us, of course, but we never look them in the eye, because they seldom say who they are. I hope that my personal experience will help stir the Church’s consciousness in some way. I will personally reveal my identity to the Holy Father in a letter. And I will tell the universities in Rome where I teach who I am; to my great sorrow I will probably no longer be allowed to work in Catholic education”.

Oh yeah, Monsignor. None of us knows homosexuals, but if we did, we would never look them in the eye. In fact, the first thing we do is to cross to the other side of the street and hold our purses tighter. Are you kidding me?! Who are you, Obama?

You are making this announcement on the eve of the Synod on the Family, which begins tomorrow at the Vatican.

“Yes, I would like to tell the Synod that homosexual love is a kind of family love, a love that needs the family. Everyone – gays, lesbians and transsexuals included – foster in their hearts a desire for love and family. Everyone has the right to love, and that love must be protected by society and law. But above all it must be nourished by the Church. Christianity is the religion of love, and love is central to the figure of Jesus we bring to the world. A lesbian or gay couple should be able to openly say to their Church: ‘we love each other according to our nature, and offer this gift of our love to others, because it is a public matter, not just a private one; we are not merely engaged in some extreme pursuit of pleasure’”.

Uh, you DON’T love according to your nature. That’s kind of the issue. Also, what you do in your bedroom most certainly should be a private matter – for ALL people. However, you are confusing sex and love, and yes, you are engaged in an “extreme pursuit of pleasure.” To be blunt and honest – because I know how much you love that honesty – it’s called sodomy. There is no procreative aspect to the act, so its only purpose is pursuit of pleasure. Wonder if he heard Pope Francis, who opened the Synod that the monsignor is hoping to influence, quoted the then Cardinal Ratzinger:

“..forbidden pleasures lost their attraction at the very moment they stopped being forbidden.”

“Even if they are pushed to the extreme and endlessly renewed, they prove dull, for they are finite realities, whereas we thirst for the infinite.”

But this is not how the Church sees things.

“No, this is not the position of current Church doctrine, but similar views have been aired in theological scholarship. Above all in Protestant scholarship, but we also have excellent Catholic theologians who have given important contributions in the field”.

“Current Church doctrine.” Is this the part where we hear that doctrine can change? How in the heck does a guy get this far up in the Vatican and spew this stuff? You know what would be amazing? It would be amazing if the Holy Father used the Year of Mercy to be merciful to the faithful by interviewing every member of the Curia and cleaning house of anyone who simply doesn’t understand that doctrine doesn’t change!

Catholic Catechism based on the Bible defines homosexuality as an “intrinsically disordered” tendency…

“The Bible says nothing on the subject of homosexuality. It instead speaks of acts that I would call “homogenital”. Even heterosexual people may perform such acts, as happens in many prisons, but in that case they are acting against their nature and therefore committing a sin. When a gay person engages in those same acts, they are instead expressing their nature. The biblical sodomite has nothing to do with two gays that love each other in modern-day Italy and want to marry. I am unable to find a single passage, even in St Paul, that may be seen as referring to homosexual persons asking to be respected as such, since at the time the concept was unknown”.

If a clear document doesn’t come out after this, somebody is missing an opportunity. Time for “Sexual Veritas” (don’t ding me for my Latin!). The door needs to be shut to this crud once and for all. For all those who believe the poppycock stated by Monsignor Charasma, Catholic Answers has a nice little tract for you (http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality). Media – especially NcR – please read it before you write, because it’ll save me a lot of time chastising you for being idiotic. I might also point out that “Monsignor Charisma” isn’t actually the authority of bible interpretation (or, apparently, much of anything else).

Catholic doctrine excludes gays from the priesthood: how did you manage to become a priest?

“The rule was introduced in 2005 when I was already a priest, and only applies to new ordinations. For me it was a shock. It didn’t use to be like this, and I think this is a mistake that needs to be corrected”. Have you always known you are gay? “Yes, but at first I didn’t accept the fact; I submitted zealously to the teaching of the Church and to the life it forced upon me, according to the principle that ‘homosexuality does not exist (and if it does, it needs to be destroyed)’”.

”The rule was introduced in 2005” and“Homosexuality does not exist”? Hmmm…wrong on both counts. It existed so much that “the rule was stated 44 years earlier in 1961 in Careful Selection And Training Of Candidates For The States Of Perfection And Sacred Orders. (http://www.papalencyclicals.net/John23/j23religios.htm). It was left to the local bishops to enforce which did or did not happen. I can tell you it didn’t happen in the San Francisco Bay Area. You and I are close in age, Monsignor. Really, when exactly did the Church teach that homosexuality did not exist? When exactly do you think nobody was aware of it? This is ridiculous! I’m reasonably sure nobody forced that life upon you. Nobody put a gun to your head and made you be Catholic or made you become a priest. Free will is a central part of our Faith.  You weren’t martyred.  You made a choice inconsistent with your chosen vocation.

How did you go from denial to being happy about being gay?

“Through study, prayer and reflection. A dialogue with God and the study of theology, philosophy and science were crucial. Moreover, I now have a partner who has helped me transform my fears into the power of love”.

Translation of the answer: When I decided I could no longer exercise self-control and didn’t want to feel guilty about it.

A partner? Is that not even more irreconcilable with being a Catholic priest?

“I know that the Church will see me as someone who has failed to keep a promise, who has lost his way, and what’s worse, not with a woman, but a man! I also know that I will have to give up the ministry, even though it is my whole life. But I’m not doing this so that I can live with my partner. The reasons are much wider-ranging and based on a reflection on Church doctrine”.

Um, yeah, you ARE doing this so you can live with your “partner.” Of course, you’re also doing it because you’re a self-deluded narcissist.

Could you explain?

“If I failed to be open, if I didn’t accept myself, I couldn’t be a good priest in any case, because I couldn’t act as an intermediary for the joy of God. Humanity has made great progress in its understanding of these issues, but the Church is lagging behind. This is not the first time, of course, but when you are slow to understand astronomy the consequences are not as serious as when the delay regards people’s most intimate being. The Church needs to realise that it is failing to rise to the challenge of our times”.

Yet another translation: I was never that good at the priesthood thing. I prefer to live like a spoiled child who thinks the whole world revolves around me. I’m going to go with “humanity is better than the Church Christ founded” and I’m going to mention Gallileo to illustrate how right I am and how wrong the Church is. (You can tell he’s not American, because, if he had been American, he would have refererred to “native Americans.”)

Yada, yada, yada! Another day, another self-serving dissenter railing against Truth.

(Just a mom’s note…My 18 year-old was reading through this post tonight. Here are some of the comments:  “What?! He has a partner??? LGTB Catholics Meeting in Rome????”  The new adult is far from naïve but, I’ve got to say, I’m so happy we’ve been able we’ve been able to keep so much of this crud out of our children’s lives.  Homeschooling is a beautiful thing.)

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19 thoughts on “There Was a Church Who Had a Priest and Ego Was His Name-o…

  1. Good column, OMM. I actually wish that more of these boys in the curia would follow this fellow’s lead (i.e., declare themselves and their activities to the world… and then be removed from office and the priesthood). Five years ago, Pope Benedict XVI declared that greatest threat to the Church was “sin from within.” Indeed. The worst enemies of the Catholic Church are in the inside. Anything that serves to expose the rot from within is, ultimately, a good thing.

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  2. The concept of “love” is being hijacked, it’s meaning twisted and distorted in all of this homosexual “dialogue.” I think it is planned as such, because who could be against “love?” If you are, you’re a meanie, long-faced, sourpuss, Pharisee!

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  3. You talk about the father of lies! You are right this guy is all about himself and what he wants and his needs and wha, wha, wha. My goodness if you aren’t going to follow church doctrines then GET OUT! FIRST HE OBVIOUSLY HAS A MENTAL DISORDER. HE DIDN’T FIND THE LOVE IF GOD! If he had, then he would have given up EVERYTHING for God and not for himself. DISGUSTING, PURVERTED, DECEITFUL, SELFISH MAN!
    Thank you One Mad mom

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  4. Somewhere I read–LOL yes, it was on the internet so it must be true– where was I? Oh yeah, in some combox someone said that the reason previous popes did not do anything is that he was celibate…up until he met his current sweetie–gag! (glad I got that bag OMM suggested at the beginning of this post!).

    I wish people would cite references to their “facts” but anyway, no matter if that bit of gossip is true or not, it makes me wonder if known but celibate homosexual priests are being targeted by someone or something (insert synonym for devil here if you like) to entice them into sin. What do we know about his “boyfriend”?

    Also, Charamsa’s mention of “writing a book” could be taken as a threat and even if he didn’t name names it would probably be a bestseller in today’s depraved 50 Shades of Gray society!.

    I babble on when I should be prostrating myself in prayer…

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  5. These apostates and their enabling bishops and ABs such Quinn,, Marx,, Koch ,Wilson, O’Conner Woilke, Kasper, Schonberg, Daneels, Bonrey, Dolan, Weurl, Gomez and Garrity= o’Malley should be defrocked as well just like O’Brien of Scotland was..

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    1. I’d love to live in a world where nobody attacks faithful priests, twists Catholic teaching or leads the faithful astray (especially kids) but, sadly, I don’t. I have children who have to live in this world. I think I’ve been pretty upfront about me in my blog name alone. I likely won’t stop criticizing these types of actions but I do understand if I am not your cup of tea.

      BTW, I have given kudos in more than one piece. One on Cardinal Wuerl and another on Bishop Strickland come to mind and I’m sure I’ve done more than one on AB Cordileone.

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          1. I’ll be following..When all is said and done, I do admire your courage and spitfire and do support your intent.
            Whatever can be done to lift up our Fathers Illo ans Driscoll and support their mission and
            journey…this is what’s important. Their message and integrity must not be edited to promote secular concerns. We have in our midst righteous men that cannot be bought by PR firms or special interest groups. I thank God for this!

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