Biology Deniers are Great Big Meanies!

It’s just getting more pathetic for those attacking Archbishop Cordileone because they’ve already used their whole arsenal and now they’re left with just out-and-out lies and conjecture to promote their cause. I suppose some have always done this to some extent, but now it’s getting ridiculous. It’s not like I can blame them, though. They really don’t have the smoking gun they just knew they were going to find. All they can find is the Archbishop again and again echoing the Pope and the Church, so all that can come of that is spin. Case in point (http://www.donotlink.com/advocate.com/commentary/2015/07/14/op-ed-san-franciscos-hateful-bishop-dead-wrong-about-trans-people):

Op-ed: S.F.’s Hateful Bishop Is Dead Wrong About Trans People

Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone denies the existence of transgender people. Maybe he should actually meet a trans person before making up his mind.

Let’s see, in the very first line, Tony Garascia writes a lie. When has Archbishop Cordileone ever said there were no transgender people? He’s only stated a biological, scientific fact.  Are we really denying that? They are now, I guess. In the second line, he says Archbishop Cordileone should “actually meet a trans person before making up his mind.” To this I’m going to ask: Mr. Garascia, how do you know the Archbishop hasn’t met a “trans person,” and did you bother to give Archbishop Cordileone the same courtesy when you called him hateful? Have you met with him? Yeah, I’m guessing not.  Chalk it up to hypocrisy.

Misguided and harmful — the easiest way to describe the anti-transgender comments made last month by San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, who has a history of targeting LGBT people.

Cordileone’s comment — that “the clear biological fact is that a human being is born either male or female” — suggests a lack of sensitivity to transgender people and no familiarity with gender dysphoria, which mental health professionals treat not as a disorder but as a profound experience of discomfort that an individual experiences with his or her assigned gender.

I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest, instead, that “trans people” are misguided and harmed, and the fact that you are opposed to a scientific fact shows how misguided and harmful you are. And, yes, up until about 5 minutes ago it has been treated as a disorder. In fact, it was called “Gender Identity Disorder” by and large until very, very recently when that got a little too politically incorrect although many still use it. The reason you are misguided and harmful? You want to help people deny reality. That’s really what it’s come to in our world. “Let’s deny reality, refuse to deal with it, and maybe it will go away.” (It won’t, by the way.) Meanwhile you’ve got Christians on the other side saying, “Hey! You are special. God thought you out in a very special way. God didn’t make a mistake! He made you just as you should be and He loves you and can help you through anything!” Yeah, that sounds really hateful. Color me hateful. That’s exactly what the Church and the Archbishop have taught. Do the Archbishop, the Pope and the Church take issue with the twisting of science and morality? YOU BETCHA!

His comments trivialize the true distress that some people feel when their inner experience of gender does not match their biology. Cordileone seems to want to frame this issue in terms of “culture wars,” based on the idea that so-called liberals have an “anything goes” attitude toward defining gender.

Uh, liberals have an “anything goes” attitude towards just about everything. There is no truth. There is no morality. And there’s definitely no history. It is “anything goes” which has kind of led to the downfall of civilization after civilization. (They’d know that if they hadn’t eliminated history.)

What Cordileone needs to understand is that people do not wake up one day and decide to change their gender, and that being transgender is deeply rooted in who they are from an early age. There is simply a disconnect between the inner experience of the individual concerning how they identify as female or male, and their biology.

Wow! This seems rather simplistic for anyone. Did you get your degrees from a box of Cracker Jacks? Close. Looks like Indiana U and Catholic U (back in the day when those in charge didn’t care so much about Catholic identity). Some of your “colleagues” would disagree with your assessment about the early age. Some present early and some do not. Nor is there any consensus about the cause of the disorder. (BTW, Psychology Today still calls it a disorder. How politically incorrect of them!)

In fact, every major mental health organization insists that gender dysphoria is real and should be taken seriously by parents and health care providers. According to the American Psychiatric Association, the anguish that some transgender people experience with the contrast between how they look on the outside and the gender they identify with can be so intense that they can take extreme measures to reconcile the difference.

Um, yeah! Who DOESN’T take it seriously? Most everyone I know takes it as seriously as a heart attack!  This doesn’t mean that it should be given the thumbs up. One, definitely, need not think that liberals handle it correctly or do right by those afflicted with it. It is a cross.

One wonders if Cordileone has in fact ever met with transgender people, listened to their stories, their pain, and their attempts to live authentically and integrate who they really are into how they function in the society. If he took the time to meet with trans people and consult mainstream researchers and clinicians, he would find that transgender people look to their faith and their churches for acceptance, often feel alienated from their places of worship, face great psychological distress, and are at a greater risk than others for suicide due to rejection.

You’ve already proffered that the Archbishop has not met a person with Gender Identity Disorder.  Got it. You’ve got no proof of that but you’re free to go on with that suggestion. The Catholic Church (I would think you’d know this going to Catholic U, but it really wasn’t the bomb when you were there) cannot accept a transgender lifestyle. It distorts Natural Law which is all good. The Catholic Church does, however, completely embrace those afflicted with that cross. Maybe it’s you who needs to get to know the Church a bit. News flash – the Catholic Church is full of many Catholic psychiatrists and psychologists who also do not agree with you.  I bet some might even have a degree from Catholic U!

In my counseling practice, I have worked with parents of transgender children as they work to accept and embrace their child’s journey. These parents have come to understand that human sexuality, orientation, and gender identification exist on a continuum and that their responsibility toward their children is to listen to their experience and to encourage them to fully accept who they are.

Just out of curiosity, do you advise them in light of Church teaching? My guess is no if you have a problem with Archbishop Cordileone. By the way, you might want to also note you have a problem with Pope Francis.  Writing an article about him next?

The archbishop’s attitude and flippant way of disparaging transgender people and even the LGBT movement unfortunately give Catholics who are struggling with acceptance of an LGBT son or daughter more freedom to minimize and disregard their own child’s feelings. Caitlyn Ryan, the founder of the Family Acceptance Project at San Francisco State University, points out that LGBT children who experience significant rejection by their families are eight times as likely to attempt suicide as LGBT children who feel accepted, and are six times more likely to report high levels of depression.

Oh, please, please tell me where the Archbishop told families to reject their children? This is a huge red herring which needs to be shot and put out of its misery. How many times have we been asked, “What would you do if your child were ‘gay,’ transgender, etc.?” to which we all reply “Duh! We’d love them, of course!” Love doesn’t mean rubber stamping everything that your child thinks or wants to do, right? Again, the suicide problem doesn’t come from Church teaching. It comes from liberals who teach us that we live in a throw-away society (also contrary to Church teaching).

What message does the archbishop’s trivialization of transgender people convey to the Catholic faithful? What message does his attitude toward LGBT people send to parents who might be struggling with an adolescent who just came out to them as LGBT? Does the archbishop really want to encourage parents of LGBT children to respond to their coming out in the same dismissive way that he presented during his comments?

First of all, the Archbishop hasn’t done what you have said. Maybe you shouldn’t rely on the National catholic Reporter for your “facts” or lack thereof? His attitude toward “LGBT” people is the same as the Church and Pope Francis – loving. Does someone from Catholic U really need a refresher course in the teachings of the Church? Also, in case nobody else noticed, Dr. Garascia gave one quote on which he premises his entire caricature of Archbishop Cordileone.  What was it?  A scientific fact.  Oooh!  How trivial – not! What Garascia has done is inserted a whole lot of conjecture and innuendo as fact. Quite frankly, it’s sad that The Advocate would think of posting such a sloppy op-ed.

One would hope that the archbishop would truly consult doctors, psychologists, and mental health counselors who have worked with transgender people to better understand this issue. Better yet, the archbishop would do well to actually listen to the experiences of transgender people who fight to be heard and be visible to the hierarchy. If he would only listen, he would understand that this is not about “gender politics” but about treating others with dignity and respect.

Again, does Garascia actually know that the Archbishop, the Holy Father and the Catholic Church haven’t done this already? Really, the pompousness is staggering albeit all too common. Maybe Garascia is just upset they didn’t consult him?  That sounds about right!

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23 thoughts on “Biology Deniers are Great Big Meanies!

  1. OMM, GOOD FOR YOU, BUT I WOULD STOP CALLING THE lgbtxyzcx, I would encourage people to start calling them the alphabet people. This only shows there confusion. How does anyone relate to being an alphabet? My ancestry is mexican and not a bunch of made up words. The confusion is so sad. Again, you nail it everytime.

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  2. Great piece as always! Those of us who can still see the “Light” as in not buying in the LGBT propaganda machine need to start using Real Hard Science to push back. The thing is that hard science shows without the shadow of a doubt that homosexuality is unhealthy and of course that no one is born Trans…something as you never know what they’ll replace “gender” with next. I for one have been using the CDC’s statistics on STDs among MSM to push back…they’d love it for people to say that the “Bible says…” which I agree with but it’s oh so easy to condescendingly point you as a bigot and conservative just for stating a God Given Truth.

    As typical in attacks against the archbishop and religious people, the LGBT propaganda mininons use non-specific languages as quoted here to suggest, confuse, mislead rather than affirm any empirically anchored truth. Even the suicide rate is not empirically anchored: LGBT people kill themselves whether they are “accepted” or not because they’re fundamentally sick people who know what they do is against natural law…they kill themselves in various ways: basic suicide, promiscuity which comes with the lifestyle, and hunting for AIDs

    Finally, good point Fran…I’m going to start calling them the Alphabet People too.

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  3. The ‘transgendered’, say,”When GOD made me, HE made a mistake!”, and,”I can (or will) fix GOD’s mistake!”. Both of which are not only wrong, they are blasphemous. The serpent continues with his lies,”You shall be as gods, knowing good from evil making it up as you go along!”

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  4. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on intersex people. You hammer the phrase ‘scientific fact’, but seem oblivious to the actual science. Sure being transgender can be considered a cross to bear, but it’s one imposed by ignorant people, not by God, is what I’m saying. God made a world that thrives on diversity, why is that so hard to accept?

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    1. OK, going to overlook the oblivious comment. There are hard sciences and pseudo sciences. Biology is the former and psychiatry/psychology are the latter. The Archbishop, in the tiny snippet posted was talking the former and, as I said, he never denied that people consider themselves “trans people”.

      As for the rest of your comment…

      Great question! First of all transgender and intersex are two very different things. One deals with the mind wanting to override the body and the other with an incomplete formation of the body. Even in the intersex group, there are varying classifications of it. There are no documented cases of “true hermaphrodites” out there. One sex is always dominant. I think this is a great article on the subject. http://www.aleteia.org/en/religion/article/intersex-a-no-mans-land-theologically-speaking-5783371921752064? (despite what some think, the Church is all about science and sometimes it waits for it) and a good follow up article is
      http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?number=361497

      Just one other small correction – God made a world that thrives on Him.

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      1. Hi and thanks for responding 🙂 I should specify that I too am talking about hard science, with actual physical evidence and everything, trust me when I say this is a subject I’ve examined from every angle I can find, and I truly believe this is the path that God has put me on. I direct you to one of my own blog posts titled Rhetoric. The key point I’m driving at is that biological gender is not as clear cut and absolute as many would claim, and this statement is very much based on hard science.

        https://geminitrans.wordpress.com/2015/05/04/rhetoric/

        Everything I state is factual and backed up by a number of links I’ve included at the bottom. Another point of clarification is that intersex isn’t a single condition, but a broad term that describes a number of conditions. There is some debate as to whether transgenderism would qualify as such, but the idea that gender identity has a neurological (i.e. physical and observable) basis is medically sound and supported by most experts in the field.

        Furthermore researchers started looking at the brain in the first place because pretty much every other explanation has been ruled out fairly conclusively. It is not possible to change a persons gender identity through chemicals or social influence, as has been tried many times in many contexts. I personally tried really really hard to not be trans, for example I never cross dressed, I avoided feminine music and television, went to church every week and bible camp each summer, I was baptized in a lake when I was 10, so on and so forth. All I got for my efforts was a great deal of suffering and self loathing.

        And yes I would agree God created a world that thrives on him.

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        1. Thanks for the links. I want to take awhile to read them thoroughly before I respond. Let’s just say, for the sake of argument, that there is a physical scientific reason for it. Does that necessarily mean that people should “go with it” for lack of a better term. For instance, there have been many studies linking alcoholism to a genetic pre-disposition. Does that mean that it’s a healthy thing for a alcoholic to go with that because it feels right to them? This is where the Catholic Church comes from (and I get that you may disagree but it doesn’t mean that she isn’t loving or is hateful). Quite frankly we’re all fighting a human disposition to sin. Just because we are disposed to something doesn’t mean a) we act on it or b)that it’s good for our immortal soul. Yep, your cross is much different than mine but the ultimate goal should be the same – to embrace our crosses gain eternal happiness with God in Heaven. The problem is, we get stuck visioning our time on a timeline and don’t realize this is a small glimpse of our eternal life.

          Now, in light that we don’t share the same crosses, I look for support, advice and encouragement elsewhere. I have read this man’s testimony and those on his sight and encourage everyone with your particular cross to do so before “permanent” changes are made. http://www.sexchangeregret.com/

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          1. First off thanks for being open and respectful, even though our viewpoints differ I appreciate the dialogue 🙂

            ‘What do I do about it’ is sort of the million dollar question when it comes to transgenderism. Until recently my plan was to suck it up and take it to my grave. I was content to suffer in solitude, and that’s really the heart of it. Solitude. It’s impossible to connect with people when hiding who you really are.

            Your point on alcoholism is pretty blatant false equivalence, I shouldn’t have to explain how being an alcoholic is different from being a woman, but since you went there I’ll bite. The problem with excessive alcohol is that it distorts the self. My grandfather had a drinking problem, my mother said he was like two different people, that she was never sure who she was going to get. Eventually she simply shut him out completely.

            Living in the closet presents a similar problem, except in my case it was active rejection of the self. For example I mentioned earlier about how I avoided feminine music. Think about your favorite music as a child, now imagine hating yourself every time you hear it. I didn’t listen to music at all really, unless someone else was playing it. If it was a song I really liked, for example Madonna’s ‘Girls Just Want to Have Fun’ I would try to distract myself from hearing it, and chide myself for singing along or humming it in the shower.

            I’ve felt alone and disconnected my entire life. In January 2014 I began a relationship with a woman I would come to love. By about October/November the problems with self rejection were becoming apparent. She was picking up on it as well, though of course she had no idea what the root cause was. It was about this time I began to do some serious research and soul searching.

            I read everything I could find, including the writings of mr. Heyer, and I weighed all of it against my own experience. My decision to transition was not made lightly, and even now I feel a sense of trepidation, I ask God every day if I’m really doing the right thing. So far God is taking care of me, I’ve been provided with a welcoming church environment and I’m slowly coming to peace with myself.

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          2. Well, thank you in return. The only thing I take offense to is that you think Madonna sang “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun”. Poor Cyndi Lauper!

            We may not agree with people all the time (I’m reasonably sure that will never happen for me) but that doesn’t mean we have to hate each other, right? This is where my ire comes in. It has nothing to do with people being transgender, gay, Democrats, atheists, etc. It has to do with attacking the character of a good man for his religious beliefs which he is bound to follow. He’s also a very loving man who cares about people in your specific situation as well as others. So, yeah, it makes us mad that people say that the Archbishop says that people with Gender Identity Disorder, same-sex attraction, etc. are gravely evil. False. It’s same reason why the people here would cringe at how the Westboro Baptists types might treat you. It’s really quite unloving and evil and I’d smack them down too.

            I also think conversations like these are invaluable to understanding. Doesn’t mean we’ll agree but a bunker mentality never helps. We don’t want people to feel isolated. We want people to feel loved no matter what their struggles in life. Believe me, I’ve got all sort of friends with all sorts of crosses and, believe it or not, some make yours look like a cake walk. I’ve yet to meet a perfect person and my husband will tell you I’m far from it. You and I could, possibly, be quite good friends. That’s the way we should all look at each other because, really, regardless of our disagreements we’re precious in God’s eyes.

            Back to the rest of it…You do realize that you said “blantantly false” and then went on to say “similar”? Of course, we’re never going to get a matching cross, right? Like I said, we all have different crosses. I chose alcoholism because they’ve said there is a genetic predisposition to it. I’m still seeing a lot of science on transgenderism saying “Don’t know what causes it!” and, of course, in the case of homosexuality, the identical twin study really debunked the genetics there. I was giving transgenderism the benefit of the doubt for the sake of argument. Your premise is scientific predisposition. That is the same claim for alcoholism so there’s where that comparison comes in. Is alcoholism and transgenderism the same thing? Of course not. The Catholic Church, however, doesn’t give the thumbs up to acting on either.

            So, we can all live with disorders (BTW, despite Grascia’s claim that it’s not called a disorder, the first article you posted, which I got to take a peak at, calls it such) but we don’t have to act on them. Having a disorder is not evil. Acting on one can be sinful. Somehow we need to learn to live a life of heroic virtue which is, in the end, our path to sanctity.

            Are you Catholic?

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          3. Cindi Lauper… 😀 well I feel silly now. And since you ask I was raised Anglican, and I’m currently attending a United Church.

            I can appreciate advocating for a good man who’s following his path as best he can, that doesn’t mean we’re not allowed to point out that some of what he says is harmful, and as a leader his words can encourage others to inflict harm.

            The point I was making about comparing alcoholism to being transgender is that alcoholism is objectively harmful, are you suggesting that living as your authentic self is harmful? Because I’m telling you attempting to suppress my authentic self has been harmful, both to myself and to people I love. I’ll note when I said ‘similar’ I meant being closeted was similar, not being trans, I meant that these things detract from one’s ability to engage and contribute to the world.

            Speaking to the verbiage of ‘mental disorder’ it’s pure semantics. The term wasn’t meant to be inherently stigmatizing but since it has become so the verbiage was changed, and not everyone has kept up. I don’t see this as affecting the underlying discussion.

            Ultimately the thing I most disagree with is the idea that transgenderism is somehow unscientific. We’re dealing with the human brain, the single most complicated object in the observable universe, but what we’ve been able to study so far definitely supports the idea that there is a physical and immutable basis for gender identity.

            Here’s a curveball for you, looking at Deuteronomy 22:5, which basically states that women are not to present themselves as men and vise versa. Since I have come to sincerely believe that I am female (as I’ve mentioned I’ve looked that this from every angle I can find, and I’ve done a great deal of research, praying and soul searching to come to this conclusion), what is the morally responsible way to live my life?

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          4. I think we can all agree that it’s gone beyond expressing an opinion that he thinks harmful things (and as been stated before, all he says is consistent with Catholic teaching. He hasn’t changed on word of it). Hater, hateful, etc. are the words used which are not true. You seem quite reasonable so I think that kind of ad hominem attack and outright lies are sad. Now, as not a member of the Catholic Church, you are free to think that Catholic teaching can cause harm. I would, of course, disagree. Authentically following Catholic teaching can only lead to good. And, for sure, authentic Catholic teaching should be exemplified in Catholic schools (that’s actually according to our Canons – you’ll have to read other posts on that).

            We’ll likely not agree on the science. That’s life. There’s hard sciences (biology) and pseudo-sciences (psychiatry). I don’t think the “disorder” verbiage used by the psychiatric community was meant to stigmatize anyone. I think we can agree that’s usually not their intent. However, it is still a disorder and, in the Catholic Faith, because it’s disordered to God’s Natural Law.

            As far as alcoholism goes…Why would it be objectively harmful unless acted upon? It may be a disorder but many people never give in to the temptations that it brings. They rely on the Church and the Sacraments to give them the balance they need to avoid that temptation.

            In regards to you query, I think I should first pose this http://www.mncc.org/catholic-spirit-transgender-persons-human-dignity-response/ I think that would give you a pretty good idea of what the Church hopes. Next, what do you think about the “trans-abled” movement?

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          5. I fully agree that disrespect and misrepresentation is harmful to any dialogue, it frustrates me when I see this. The word ‘hateful’ was likely chosen as click bait, and it definitely undermines the point the writer was trying to make. This doesn’t make their position wrong, gender really isn’t a clear biological fact http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943. Appreciate that the trans community has experienced a great deal of hatred directed at us, so anything that feeds into that is going to be interpreted strongly. But yeah civility goes a long way.

            I am a firm believer in religious values, and would never speak against them, so long as our Lord’s message of love, community and understanding doesn’t get lost in the pursuit of technicalities.

            I retract what I said about alcoholism, what I should have said was substance abuse.

            As for trans-ableism, there are definitely a lot of questions to be answered there. The existence of such individuals supports the idea that the brain has a map of sorts, an expectation of what the rest of the body is supposed to be, but just how much should such neurological predispositions be indulged? I can appreciate the parallels, but comparing it to transgenderism is another case of false equivalency. First of all transitioning doesn’t impact our ability to contribute to society, and in fact doing so allows us to more fully engage. Furthermore being trans is about so much more than outward physical appearance, in fact many trans people don’t go through any physical alterations – though I myself have started HRT, and remain undecided on going any further. What coming out has really meant for me is that I am no longer self censoring my personality and expression.

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          6. Well, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Chromosomes determine gender. Brain synapsis, chemicals, etc. may skew the view of gender but it doesn’t change it. I agree that the transgender community has experienced hate but I really don’t think it’s to the degree of the hatred shown to Christianity in general and specifically the Catholic Church. Usually it’s by little punks who follow anything but Christianity (like the ones who lit the kid on fire around these parts a few years back).

            As far as the “trans-abled” go…I only bring this up because, yes, there is a point where will likely draw a line. You and I just draw it in a different place. I think that the disabled, in general, would likely take offense to the idea that their ability to contribute to society is hampered by their disability. Regardless, faithful Catholics just simply believe the “trans-anything” movement is a denial of God’s creation. I think that link I gave (and the Catechism)in the last response really explains it beautifully.

            “The truth is that God has created us male and female and has made us with a soul and body that are inextricably linked to one another — their union forms a single nature. The body is not merely a shell encompassing my spirit or “real self,” which many who support the new gender theory believe. The body is, indeed, the physical manifestation of my personhood. It is truly me, along with my soul, and my identity as male or female is integral to who I am as a human person (Catechism of the Catholic Church 362-68).”

            I like the term “self-censoring”. Quite frankly, I’m constantly trying to do that since I often fail and give into sin but I get back up on the horse again. I can’t just say “Yeah, I like it therefor it is good.” Anyone fighting an addiction or disorder (even just a standard like depression) does that. It’s called exercising temperance and fortitude.

            Anyways, I believe you originally asked why I couldn’t accept diversity. I accept a lot of diversity. What I don’t accept is that anything goes. Like I said, I draw the line one place (actually, I trust the Church to do that because that’s biblically what God ordained). You draw the line in another place based on our temporal sensibilities. I’m trying to look at the very, very long term game. While I’d love to be the kind of person who begs for a bigger and heavier cross, it would be crazy to say that I am. I admire those that do this. They are my heroes. What I am trying to do is carry my cross, according to God’s will, the best I can.

            While I wouldn’t use the term “morally responsible”, I would say that we shouldn’t reject our crosses. “And having called the crowd with his disciples, he said to them, Whoever desires to come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross and follow me.”

            So, at that point, you have to kind of apply a “Pascal’s Wager”. If the Catholic Church (it’s really pointless to go small scale and say the Archbishop when he just mirrors the Church) should be wrong and you live as a man, what have you lost by doing so in the everlasting life? The error wouldn’t be on you and certainly life may be hard here for a short time (we always forget how short this life is). No loss in everlasting life. If the Catholic Church is right and you live as a man, what have you gained in the everlasting life? We can really only go wrong by trying to satisfy our desires in our temporal life here. This really goes for anyone, not just the transgendered. Let’s say I would really like to have an affair (just for the sake of example, honey) but I don’t because the Church says this is a mortal sin. I don’t do it and it turns out that God really didn’t care. Would I be punished for NOT following through with my desires and checking myself? Nope. Now let’s say the Church is right and I deny myself the temporal pleasure and live as she says and she is right? What have I gained?

            P.S.- I do not have theologian credentials so feel free to weigh in if you do. I won’t be offended.

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          7. You are correct in stating that a disabled person is able to contribute to society as much as anyone, and I am sorry for implying otherwise. It’s a delicate subject and one that I don’t have the answers to.

            Now please excuse me but, fellow Christian here. What, because I’m not Catholic I don’t know about the hatred directed at my faith? You don’t think I grew up defending my beliefs against the ignorant? On a subject I might add that has a lot less hard evidence than the one we’re discussing now. And sorry but did you just use the fact that a poor child was set on fire as a point in favor of discriminating against transgender people? We’ve been persecuted so it’s ok to persecute? I mean I get that’s not where you were trying to go with that but that is the implication you made. Suggesting, however circuitously, that we hold an ‘anything goes attitude’, and that this attitude has somehow contributed to such a reprehensible act is something that needs to be called out.

            It bothers me when people misrepresent what transgenderism is about. Recognizing my identity is a hard truth for me, in transitioning I am not rejecting the way god made me, I am finally embracing it. I spent thirty odd years fighting this, I’ve had many, many many many (many!) arguments with God on the matter. No God, I don’t want to be female, please I’ll follow whatever life steps you want me to take but I don’t want to be female. I refuse, I won’t do it. Just please make me normal, I promise to stop doing – you name it – if only you will make me normal. Or if I have to be not-normal at least give me some kind of concrete proof that this is what I am, allow me to be accepted and embraced, to know that what I’m doing is right.

            This is actually why the science is so important to me, because I have a really hard time accepting myself and it’s something I’m still working on to be honest. Suffering is something I can handle, I engaged in chronic self harm for many years. There are other issues with self denial, I couldn’t connect with people, as I was constantly having to disassociate from my body and from the world. Remember I never wore women’s clothing and I rejected all things feminine, didn’t change a thing. I probably could have kept this up till the day I died, It wasn’t until I found myself contemplating marriage that I began to recognize the true nature of the problem at hand, and my own suffering was the least of it. Is transgenderism a sin? Because lying to your significant other about who you are certainly is.

            Transition is hardest on married couples, this point is consistent in everything I’ve read. I’m not doing this because I like it, or because I don’t want to suffer. Sure it’s nice to finally embrace some of the things I’ve always avoided, but I am quite capable of doing unpleasant things and accepting pain when it comes. What’s not ok is living a lie. Suffer through life and reap everlasting rewards, yeah I get it, I’m on board, and this has nothing to do with my transition. Transitioning is about honesty, plain and simple.

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          8. “Appreciate that the trans community has experienced a great deal of hatred directed at us, so anything that feeds into that is going to be interpreted strongly.”

            Whoa, buddy. I was expressing understanding with this statement and more! I think you need a re-read of what I wrote because you got it rather wrong. My point, in short, is the Catholic Church loves you! As far as the “anything goes” attitude…It’s led us to us denying our crosses and sin. For a good chunk of society, these are simply a figment of an archaic belief system. There is no more right and wrong – there’s “just how I feel.”

            You kind are rejecting God’s creation. He made you a certain sex and he’s allowed you to have certain feelings (whether He gave them or allowed them we’ll not know in this world). That is who you are. But really, it’s kind of going to be another “we’ll just have to agree to disagree” moment. I accept this at truth: “The truth is that God has created us male and female and has made us with a soul and body that are inextricably linked to one another — their union forms a single nature. The body is not merely a shell encompassing my spirit or “real self,” which many who support the new gender theory believe. The body is, indeed, the physical manifestation of my personhood. It is truly me, along with my soul, and my identity as male or female is integral to who I am as a human person (Catechism of the Catholic Church 362-68).” You do not. I totally get that. I don’t agree with it but I understand it to be what you believe.

            I understand that marriage is probably not in the cards for you and yes, lying to another is bad. That would be the same for lots of people. See, this is where a non-Catholic would have a problem with understanding. We don’t think we’re all called to the same vocations in life (and we all have one). Some are called to marriage, some are called to the religious life and some are called to remain single. They all have their own crosses but can bring a lot of joy too. Can it be hard, sometimes, for the religious or single person to remain chaste? You betcha. Can it be hard for the married person to remain faithful? You betcha. If we’re smart, we put the salvation of others before our own temporal lives.

            ” I engaged in chronic self harm for many years. There are other issues with self denial, I couldn’t connect with people, as I was constantly having to disassociate from my body and from the world.” …and this is the part that probably concerns most of us here. You’re assuming that HRT is going to help with these issues. This was contrary to what the John Hopkins’ doctor found. He found that transition didn’t take away the underlying problems. The Catholic Church already knew that to be true.

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          9. Once again thank you for the lively and open conversation, you’ve given me a great deal to think on. My apologies for misconstruing the point you were making about understanding hatred. I sincerely wish you the best and pray that God watches over you and yours 🙂

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  5. A thought experiment. I changed a few words in one of the quotes:

    In fact, every major mental health organization insists that multiple personality disorder is real and should be taken seriously by parents and health care providers. According to the American Psychiatric Association, the anguish that those with multiple personality disorder experience with the contrast between how they look on the outside and the various personalities they identify with can be so intense that they can take extreme measures to reconcile the difference.

    I am not a psychologist, nor do I play one on the internet. I certainly hope that the current thoughts in some circles that lead to gender confused persons changing their bodies to match who they think they are does not encourage those suffering from multiple personality disorder (dysphoriais?!) to follow suit.

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  6. As an ordained Catholic deacon with a Doctor of Pharmacy degree, those detractors of the archbishop are “putting the cart in front of the horse.” It looks like all those transgender people have some serious psychological problems before they start to be harrassed by others. You are right that “gender dysphoria” is a psychological problem in the first place. I’ve had experience counseling and raising young men in the guidance of the Catholic Church. Where are the fathers and mothers helping their children? No way, would I just “let them express themselves as they were created.” That is a great abrogation of your God given duty!

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  7. MM writes: “Can it be hard for the married person to remain faithful? You betcha. If we’re smart, we put the salvation of others before our own temporal lives.”

    You, betcha MM! We all struggle with terribly draining weaknesses and disorders. For me it’s a minute-to-minute struggle. Seems like every 30 seconds I have to call on my Sweet Mother of Mt. Carmel for help, while clutching my scapular. Good news is: She is always there! (Btw, today is Her Day!)

    Thank God for Holy Mother Church and her Sacraments, especially Confession and Holy Eucharist. And thank you Lord for giving us your Mom to help us and defend us at all times!

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    1. I hear you and it’s so good for people to know that there are others dealing with struggles. Even through them all, I can’t imagine feeling all alone in the Catholic Church. Prayers for you in your situation and prayers for those who feel alone and isolated.

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  8. Thank you for your prayers, MM. God bless you. Gemini, Trans, I have asked Our Lady to help you. She loves us more than we can imagine and walks with us in this vale of tears. God bless you too, Gemini.

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